Ivy Agbo - 26-11-2021 10:31:49
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Erik Bais - 26-11-2021 10:32:06
Gert: I haven't received mine yet either ..
Shane Kerr - 26-11-2021 10:32:18
It's worse then Brian is disappointed in us than when he's angry at us. ;-)
Lars-Johan Liman - 26-11-2021 10:34:12
Geoff, you're ALWAYS talking about the DNS ... ;-)
... as am I ... ;-) ;-)
Vesna Manojlovic - 26-11-2021 10:34:23
+1
Anders Mundt Due - 26-11-2021 10:34:36
it's because the problem is always with DNS, even when it isn't DNS
Lars-Johan Liman - 26-11-2021 10:35:07
Hah! +1 to that! :-) :-)
Sebastian Becker - 26-11-2021 10:35:07
Better than always to blame the telcos ... ;-)
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 10:35:10
that IS a bold statement: DNS defines the Internet today.
Rob Evans - 26-11-2021 10:35:14
...and that's why it's always the DNS...
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 10:35:56
@sebastian: it's always the incumbent's DNS!
Sebastian Becker - 26-11-2021 10:36:04
Damn ...
Sebastian Becker - 26-11-2021 10:36:22
I knew there was something ...
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 10:36:28
/etc/hosts
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:36:45
What, you don't have a hosts.txt anymoreß
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 10:36:58
one could use a CDN to distribute /etc/hosts...
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 10:37:02
got replaced by /etc/resolv.conf
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 10:37:17
curl https://8.8.8.8/hosts
Sebastian Becker - 26-11-2021 10:37:26
uff
Anders Mundt Due - 26-11-2021 10:37:29
@gert Cloud Dns Network
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:37:38
newfangled sh*t
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:37:49
back in the hold days, where "vi /etc/hosts" was the tool to "censor" content
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:38:06
That's still the case (on my MacOS)
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:38:21
(or whatever it's called these days)
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:38:33
textedit :)
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:39:00
lemme check that and get back to you
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 10:39:11
/etc/hosts is where I force hosts to be v4 only for a non ipv6 capable vpn :(
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 10:39:31
Ruben: that is the wrong way to fix the problem!
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 10:39:34
@Ruben: +1
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:39:39
your happy eyeballs broken as well?
Jim Reid - 26-11-2021 10:39:47
DNS was invented because people couldn't decide if vi or emacs was the only tool to edit /etc/hosts.
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:39:49
Ruben: Your VPN software should set DNS servers properly and disable the part of the stack that's unusable.
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 10:39:57
Jim: +1
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 10:40:01
I soo know Gert :( and I've a config for them to fix this 0_o
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:40:03
Jim, you know, I believe that is the actual truth.
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:40:31
@jim here is the plot: what if we put a hosts in Google Docs share it ;)
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:40:40
(someone's actually slipped a jove installation into our puppet manifests)
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 10:40:59
but I can't make everything my problem...
Andreas Wittkemper - 26-11-2021 10:41:02
jove.... ahh
Erik Bais - 26-11-2021 10:42:03
@Marco ... only marginally small countries don't allow access to Google .. ;)
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:42:50
@Erik not using the DNS might help in going around those blockages
Niall O'Reilly - 26-11-2021 10:43:45
The Dark Forest (黑暗森林)
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 10:44:08
China's not that small...
Niall O'Reilly - 26-11-2021 10:44:24
It's a good read
Erik Bais - 26-11-2021 10:44:36
Blake : ssstt... ;)
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:44:45
Blake... but people say it is! Of course, for such a small place they generate a hell of a lot of DNS traffic.
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 10:45:57
the only china that people say is small, is the republic of china. the people's republic of china is capital H large
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:47:54
Peter... at least for us, the .tw node is also getting a lot of requests... that island looks large from here
Donald Neal - 26-11-2021 10:49:00
Yay New Zealand!
Shane Kerr - 26-11-2021 10:49:44
Hold it, I thought 30% of users were behind Google? But only 25% of users validate?
Shane Kerr - 26-11-2021 10:50:10
I must not understand one of those numbers....
Leo Vegoda - 26-11-2021 10:50:31
I wonder what "user" means in that measurement
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 10:50:39
misaligned incentives again
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 10:50:41
so true, Geoff
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 10:50:45
we're spectaculously good at this
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 10:50:51
"user" is people who don't install an adblocker
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:51:02
@shane could caching throw off the counters?
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:51:06
you mean the apnic-one-pixel-blocker?
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 10:51:37
yea, that's traditionally where most of geoff's measurements come from
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:51:40
Marco: The common cache time nowadays is around 60s
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:51:51
No idea when that crept in
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 10:52:39
1) home router etc breaking dnssec on the way to the cache 2) other non-DNS network problems breaking large UDP packets
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:52:45
@elmer still, might still use the same key to validate a few of the results (no idea how you count who validates, but assume you look at who retreives the keys)
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:53:38
(maybe it is worth a question in the Q&A?)
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:53:54
You mean "how do you avoid caching in your measurements?"
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:54:15
(I guess, generate 3rdlevel names randomly and check on the auth server)
Robert Kisteleki - 26-11-2021 10:54:28
yes
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 10:54:56
I don't have references on hand, but he has described how those measurements work in detail, and how they avoid duplicate counting
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:55:54
Peter, I remembe the same thing.. .actually... over ten years ago in "our" (not with ISC back then) office in Redwood
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 10:56:29
yes, but shane's point seems to be that if 30% uses Google and Google validates, at least 30% should be seen using DNSSEC?
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:56:45
Maybe Google doesn't validate em all, or everywhere?
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:56:54
Shane, ask the question :-)
Marco Davids - 26-11-2021 10:56:59
Just wanted to point to https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv4/ipv4-waiting-list (record breaking heights)
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 10:57:02
that assumes that everything between the user & google allows large UDP packets & passes DNSSEC
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:57:18
Don't they do TCP?
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 10:57:35
Marco: what is that about? legacy stuff?
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 10:57:35
lol, a lot of people still block dns/tcp
Ondřej Caletka - 26-11-2021 10:57:47
Also, some people use Google + something else. When validation fails, they will just get SERVFAIL from google and switch to other resolver, which may not validate at all.
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:57:53
Peter: They deserve to be cut off
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 10:58:09
Thank you, Geoff!
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:58:13
Marco - any idea why the sudden rush? Or is it that the hostmasters are all busy with RIPE 82?
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 10:58:13
cool, give $largest_provider_in_country a few snips
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 10:58:14
thanks, Geoff! Interesting route
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 10:58:14
@ondrei: good point!
Chris Buckridge - 26-11-2021 10:58:15
:clap:
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 10:58:19
:clap::clap::clap:
Marco Davids - 26-11-2021 10:58:20
Gert ;-)
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 10:58:21
:applause:
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:58:26
@geoff - great talk and important reminder
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 10:58:34
:clap::clap::clap:
Carsten Schiefner - 26-11-2021 10:58:46
top!
Jo Hoffmann - 26-11-2021 10:59:13
:clap::clap::clap:
Joachim Ernst - 26-11-2021 10:59:15
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 10:59:17
I make that argument in every presentation to management I make
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 10:59:25
Does that help?
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 10:59:50
some people do get that it's not just selling circuits yes
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:00:02
Theres space in the mic queue :)
Job Snijders - 26-11-2021 11:00:50
The Internet is a shared hallucination.
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 11:01:06
Job - as long as the drugs inducing this stay cheap, everybody's happy.
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:01:11
pity franziska missed my real affiliation. no problem. i understand we are all tired.
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 11:01:22
Daniel ;-)
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:01:24
sorry
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:01:26
my bad
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:01:37
np whatsoever!
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 11:01:55
& the number of orgs that actually need to collaborate in order to keep much of it working is astonishingly low, & getting lower...
Miguel Alktun - 26-11-2021 11:02:07
Thanks Geoff
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 11:02:15
Franzi: Nicely played
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:03:50
'they are building a century of domination' is sooooo quotable. brilliant!
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 11:03:56
sounds like he is basically arguing against capitalism
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 11:03:58
the subtlety that the century of US domination started ending in the 1990s is accurate
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:04:12
I mean, arguing against capitalism seems like a pretty good argument...
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 11:04:26
particularly against crony capitalism
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:05:02
this
Eliot Lear - 26-11-2021 11:06:08
Agree with Geoff about DNSSEC, sadly.
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 11:06:23
the resolver setting a bit and then sending the entire reply over the random internet. yup, 100% believable and trustworthy!
Remco van Mook - 26-11-2021 11:06:55
I think the good news is that our chldren will probably live to the age of 150 :)
Job Snijders - 26-11-2021 11:07:05
OpenBSD's default installer solved this, didn't it? :-)
Carsten Schiefner - 26-11-2021 11:07:07
Vesna's Q is about climate change, too? ;->
Rob Evans - 26-11-2021 11:07:13
Remco: But will they want to?
Vesna Manojlovic - 26-11-2021 11:07:34
@carsten : you are reading between the lines :) thanks!
Remco van Mook - 26-11-2021 11:07:38
at least they have some time to figure it out
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:07:57
next quotable one: 'a world thatis wholly private is no - fun - either.'
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 11:08:09
@Job I just checked, and we don't seem to enable unwind by default. at least not in etc/rc.conf
Carsten Schiefner - 26-11-2021 11:08:10
@Vesna: At times, I give it a try again. ;-)
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:08:11
Join your local NREN!
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 11:08:39
Raymond biggest user of google DNS is ChromeOS & Android...
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:09:11
Geoff is on a roll ...
Robert Kisteleki - 26-11-2021 11:09:23
if our children live for 100-150 years, and it takes 3-4 generations to dismantle those unwanted monopolies... how many years is that...? :)
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 11:09:40
teach them COBOL
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:09:48
talking about novels, one possibly outcome is in the "shadowrun" settings...
Remco van Mook - 26-11-2021 11:09:50
well I don't see how they're going to have children past the age of 50 still :)
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:09:52
@robert: stop splitting hairs while we are having fun here. ;-)
Tom Hill - 26-11-2021 11:09:53
I've also seen start-up ISPs, "altnets" push 8.8.8.8 to their CPE, because they don't know how to run resolvers/don't believe they can do a better job than Google.
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:10:00
mega corps replacing countries, basically...
Tom Hill - 26-11-2021 11:10:13
It really screws with CDN steering when they grow
Remco van Mook - 26-11-2021 11:10:57
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:10:58
Gert, I mean, if I get to cast spells, sure. But bear in mind, we're living in the timeline at this point.
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 11:11:25
@Tom: +1
Tom Hill - 26-11-2021 11:12:26
Even if we did solve that somehow, we would have a long line of Trumpian politicians arguing to rip up those protections
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 11:12:54
excellent article on how north america destroyed our telecom manufacturing in the early 2000s: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/08/who-lost-lucent-the-decline-of-americas-telecom-equipment-industry/
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:12:59
Brian: spells would be nice indeed, but the "Megacorps have more power than Governments" is not a very unrealistic scenario anymore
Alex Le Heux - 26-11-2021 11:13:20
@Gert: We're well beyond that, aren't we?
Shane Kerr - 26-11-2021 11:13:24
If you're at a local maxima then any change will seem to be bad for a while.
Mike Hughes - 26-11-2021 11:13:25
What @Tom says - there's whole markets we operate in where the vast majority of DNS queries are Quad-8. These ISPs are mostly small companies - usually springing up as a result of recent deregulation, they don't run DNS (either auth or recursive) at all, they just set all their user clients to use Quad-8.
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 11:13:30
@Blake that was an insightful article
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:13:44
@alex: on the edge, I'd say
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:13:46
semi-seriously: it is very worrying that it takes riper and somewhat cynical white men to give talks like this? or is this just our bubble and the discourse about the technical side of where the Internet is going is indeed happening in other places? and if so shouldn't it be here and not led by chief scientists. ???
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:13:46
Oh, absolutely, Gert. I mean, Amazon started building an archology in Seattle, which, has overtones I *really* don't like as a huge Shadowrun fan.
Sascha Lenz - 26-11-2021 11:13:59
Part of the problem is that there are few people "we" can talk to reliably in the gov world where people change every 3-5 years or so and so do their agendas ... but well
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:14:11
Brian: oh, interesting. Did not know that.
Oliver Payne - 26-11-2021 11:14:30
its not even my cat
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 11:14:46
We employed a cat....might expain a few glitches :D
Jan Zorz - 26-11-2021 11:14:49
tech report - that feeling of another RIPE meeting coming to an end :)
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:14:55
Not sure if it's got very far, Gert, mind.
Sascha Lenz - 26-11-2021 11:15:01
correct, cats choose their human, not vice versa oc
Tom Hill - 26-11-2021 11:15:03
@Marco standard procedure for the Internet, no?
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:15:07
THANK YO FOR ALL YOU DD MARTINA!
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:15:10
waaat, Martina
Carsten Schiefner - 26-11-2021 11:15:14
@Oliver: Still quite a... fat cat? ;-D
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 11:15:18
oh noes
Raymond Jetten - 26-11-2021 11:15:32
A big thanks to the tech team for a smooth ripe83
Oliver Payne - 26-11-2021 11:15:36
@Carsten he's visiting multiple houses for dinner ;)
Marco Hogewoning - 26-11-2021 11:15:39
@tom standard outage report you mean? "cat on keyboard"
Carsten Schiefner - 26-11-2021 11:15:40
Thanks, Martina! DTU!
Mike Hughes - 26-11-2021 11:16:03
Honestly, all the best cats are not your own cats.
Mirjam Kühne - 26-11-2021 11:16:05
And thanks, Alexandra :)
Tom Hill - 26-11-2021 11:16:05
The Internet is both broken by, and runs on, cats.
Robert Kisteleki - 26-11-2021 11:16:29
... and is about, cats
Alex Le Heux - 26-11-2021 11:16:31
@Daniel: There are people who are not old white men like us saying things like this. But they have no platform in our world, and when they do have a platform elsewhere we coup their countries.
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 11:16:33
Oh right, daily updates for browsers lead to a rather unpredictable behavior. That is sad.
Carsten Schiefner - 26-11-2021 11:16:41
@Oliver: One can clearly this. And for breakfasts, brunches and lunches obviously too,
Raymond Jetten - 26-11-2021 11:16:42
MIce eated my fibre once
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:17:08
@alex: you are not ripe enough to be allowed this kind of sarcasm. ;-) ;-) ;-)
Alex Le Heux - 26-11-2021 11:17:30
Ok, I'll go back into my cage ;)
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:18:31
wooh, IPv6!
Robert Scheck - 26-11-2021 11:18:47
Okay, now only ticket system and voting system are lacking IPv6?
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:18:48
in just 9 years
Robert Scheck - 26-11-2021 11:19:03
Oh and billing system, too (e-mails).
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 11:19:06
o/
Ondřej Caletka - 26-11-2021 11:19:33
Also the mass mailing system (SendInBlue) :man-shrugging:
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:19:36
YT unable to even get close to the speed of the technical team!
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:19:58
nobdy can beat the speed of the RIPE meeting team! Great job, folks!
Alex Le Heux - 26-11-2021 11:20:07
@Brian: *nothing* is faster than the RIPE meeting tech team
Sascha Lenz - 26-11-2021 11:20:09
whoa I need to change OS and Browser, I'm mainstream
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:20:19
+1 to gert - thanks folks!! o/
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 11:20:28
peak-IPv6 reached in RIPE82
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 11:20:54
Menno/team: Thank you for the good work (and the report). *clap*
Angela Stanescu - 26-11-2021 11:20:59
A big THANKS to the Tech Team! Big applause to all of you
Sascha Lenz - 26-11-2021 11:21:04
Nice report, thx team! Wordked all smoothly for me the whole week here!
Vesna Manojlovic - 26-11-2021 11:21:09
@dfk: "the discourse about the technical side of where the Internet is going is indeed happening in other places? and if so shouldn't it be here and not led by chief scientists. " yes, yes & yes. as Alex said, those people are speaking loud & clear too, but (a) they don't know about us (b) if they would know, we would not invite them in (c) if they would cross those barriers, we would see them as "not scientific enough", not technical, and not chief. so it's great that at least someone is speaking about it here, even if it's titled as a talk about DNS ;-)
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:21:09
+1
Niall O'Reilly - 26-11-2021 11:21:12
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Tech team!
Robert Scheck - 26-11-2021 11:21:13
I wonder whether only 50% IPv6 users might be related to the lack of IPv6 at the meeting WiFi here ;-)
Carsten Schiefner - 26-11-2021 11:21:18
[clapping hands!]
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 11:21:21
Thanks to opsmtg team for yet another flawlessy delivered and enjoyable remote meeting o/ :clap::clap::clap:
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 11:21:21
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Joachim Ernst - 26-11-2021 11:21:23
:clap::clap::clap:
Mike Hughes - 26-11-2021 11:21:24
We're serving significantly >50% IPv6 to some dest ASNs at times. Wish I could talk about it it more detail, but presently can't.
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 11:21:30
Robert: That's your local problem. My meeting Wifi is v6
Ruben van Staveren - 26-11-2021 11:21:37
This sets a standard for remote meetings IMHO
Robert Scheck - 26-11-2021 11:21:37
:)
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:21:44
:applause: to the whole meeting team!
Christian Bretterhofer - 26-11-2021 11:21:56
:applause: to the whole meeting team!
Job Snijders - 26-11-2021 11:21:58
very much indeed!
Jan Zorz - 26-11-2021 11:22:00
:clap::clap::clap:
Oliver Payne - 26-11-2021 11:22:08
Meetecho is also used at Afrinic meetings :)
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:22:11
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
Blake Willis - 26-11-2021 11:22:12
:clap::clap::clap: great job folks
Piotr Strzyżewski - 26-11-2021 11:22:16
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
Niall O'Reilly - 26-11-2021 11:22:27
@DFK: yes! Not just the Tech Team
Daniel Karrenberg - 26-11-2021 11:22:38
@nial: that's what i meant
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:23:37
:wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:
Falk von Bornstaedt - 26-11-2021 11:24:02
Great experience, thanks to the meeting team!
Philipp Adam - 26-11-2021 11:24:04
:clap::clap::clap:
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 11:24:16
Berlin 3rd try.. we will see if SARS-Cov2 will allow
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:24:25
maybe it's "Berlin"
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:24:35
can we have a nice location instead?
Christoph Berkemeier - 26-11-2021 11:24:45
like Potsdam?
Jan Zorz - 26-11-2021 11:24:47
4th try, if my memory serves well
Erik Bais - 26-11-2021 11:24:49
Is the Secret-WG already done rigging the voting results ?
Kurt Kayser - 26-11-2021 11:24:50
Berlin IS nice..
Robert Kisteleki - 26-11-2021 11:24:58
Gert are you offering to be the host? :-)
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:25:04
Robert: I tried...
Jan Zorz - 26-11-2021 11:25:07
@Erik: [giggle]
Elmar K Bins - 26-11-2021 11:25:17
"Berlin" - that's somewhere around Potsdam, right?
Jelte Jansen - 26-11-2021 11:25:19
ah, yes, the mythical berlin
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 11:25:36
/me looks outside the window
Peter Hessler - 26-11-2021 11:25:39
yes, berlin is still here
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:25:44
yep.
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:25:49
not even raining
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:25:49
I can only note that since we announced "RIPE meeting in Berlin", we're stuck in a pandemic loop...
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:25:57
Gert :P
Anders Mundt Due - 26-11-2021 11:26:12
it might help with the pandemic if we pretend the next meeting is in "Amsterdam"
Sascha Lenz - 26-11-2021 11:26:15
that's totally Berlin's fault, I can support that thought, sounds about right
Erik Bais - 26-11-2021 11:26:16
We will all have v6 prior to the next Berlin meeting I'm afraid ..
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:26:21
Has anyone else played Deathloop? :)
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:26:26
Erik now you've doomed it
Jelte Jansen - 26-11-2021 11:26:31
not yet!
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:26:39
Here's to a RIPE meeting in Berlin in our time!
Jelte Jansen - 26-11-2021 11:26:45
did hear good things about it
Franziska Lichtblau - 26-11-2021 11:26:45
:D :D :D
Robert Kisteleki - 26-11-2021 11:26:50
there was one already though
Gert Doering - 26-11-2021 11:27:07
Robert: two, at least
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:27:14
Yes, but both a while ago now.
Brian Nisbet - 26-11-2021 11:27:19
Only Forward!
