Johan ter Beest - 25-11-2021 12:59:11
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Darko Palic - 25-11-2021 13:00:28
hi there, my first RIPE meeting and really curious about the IPv6 WG tasks.Happy to be here
Christoph Berkemeier - 25-11-2021 13:00:34
We can hear you and see your deck.
Robert Scheck - 25-11-2021 13:01:53
Typo? Shottelius? Or is the 3rd agenda point another speaker?
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:02:24
typo, good catch
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:02:49
wrong year on slide..
Robert Scheck - 25-11-2021 13:02:55
Robert Scheck - 25-11-2021 13:03:02
Ah, you noticed it, too
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:03:16
what is this IPv6? I want IPv4+
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:03:26
IPv10 is the place to be.
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:03:33
Hi Tim :-)
Robert Scheck - 25-11-2021 13:03:39
Gert: The EU-like way would be IPv4+++ or so.
Chriztoffer Hansen - 25-11-2021 13:03:43
IPv4 islands = GOV Institutions.
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:04:11
not so fast
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:04:36
come bak when all commercial networks show 100% adoption
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:04:42
also coming soon to a Shodan near you...
Chriztoffer Hansen - 25-11-2021 13:04:53
Jelte Jansen - 25-11-2021 13:05:22
our gov institutions are doing pretty well these days in terms of ipv6
Ruben van Staveren - 25-11-2021 13:05:56
something that goes right there then...
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:05:58
would be good to focus on the mechanism rather than the generally well known use cases
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:06:01
@Jelte: who is "our" ?
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:06:22
RFC 9011 is about Lorawan with SCHC to work over IPv6 though ;-)
Jelte Jansen - 25-11-2021 13:06:24
oh sorry, the Netherlands
Chriztoffer Hansen - 25-11-2021 13:06:41
Having focus from the top always helps. When budgetting is the highest one. IPv6 does not the best business case to squeeze in when many daily agenda items are going 110 % over the speed limit
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:06:41
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:07:56
some of these systems, have pretty long lifetimes. e.g. X-Ray machines have about 17 year usage at a hospital. Assuming they have the funding to replace the equipment at some point.
Peter van Dijk - 25-11-2021 13:08:39
stream dropped out twice for me in 5 minutes, anybody else?
Marcin Gondek - 25-11-2021 13:08:48
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:08:53
Marcin Gondek - 25-11-2021 13:08:53
Raymond Jetten - 25-11-2021 13:09:08
sorry to hear that, but luckily not
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:09:09
Just a random example:host www.ec.europa.eu
www.ec.europa.eu is an alias for ip-stareceuropa.ec.europa.eu.
ip-stareceuropa.ec.europa.eu has address 184.108.40.206
ip-stareceuropa.ec.europa.eu has address 220.127.116.11
ip-stareceuropa.ec.europa.eu has IPv6 address 2a01:7080:14:100::666:30
ip-stareceuropa.ec.europa.eu has IPv6 address 2a01:7080:24:100::666:30
www.twitch.com has address 18.104.22.168
www.twitch.com has address 22.214.171.124
www.twitch.com has address 126.96.36.199
Eduard Vasilenko - 25-11-2021 13:09:09
People have different definitions for what is "IPv6" only. Many claims that it is not possible yet because any translation to the Ipv4 world would break "Ipv6 only" story. Ipv6 only here probably means "Ipv6 only up to the company gateway then translation to Ipv4 for 50% of the traffic".
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:09:29
"no ipv4 at the device" = ipv6-only
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:09:34
there are drafts in v6ops about what v6 only is.
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:09:44
dont think they ever got adopted.
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:09:47
have you tried removing 127.0.0.1 from the host? that gets hilarious.
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:09:48
Not picking on anybody, but before the fingers go to the public sector
Eduard Vasilenko - 25-11-2021 13:10:04
@Gert. It is exactly what many people would dispute.
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:10:20
@Eduard: I dispute the "many" part
Chriztoffer Hansen - 25-11-2021 13:10:29
@marco: Indeed. The IPv4-only networks exist in many places. Not just public
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:10:30
so revive the v6ops drafts... good luck :)
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:10:40
Marco, agree. Twitter, Salesforce, etc
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:10:56
a definition that leads to "there is no single ipv6-only thing as long as anything can be reached somewhere else that has ipv4 on it" is not meaningful for anything
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:11:40
not sure I have enough energy for the welcoming culture of v6ops in the next months...
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:12:07
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:12:29
@chriztoffer: by corollary, these would not be "ipv4-only" either, as a translator elsewhere would enable them to reach ipv6 stuff...
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:12:30
Well, 6man and v6ops are dying, both have only 1 or 2 WG drafts, the rest isnt getting adopted.
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:12:56
so is homenet, unfortunately :-(
Jordi Palet Martínez - 25-11-2021 13:13:08
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:13:13
homenet sadly was doomed
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:13:13
About 6MAN (and w/o any hat), it should morphed from maintenance to extensions ;-)
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:13:27
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:13:27
we need to form an EH6WG
Jordi Palet Martínez - 25-11-2021 13:13:28
I will revive it just give me a few weeks ... too busy now
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:13:33
Homenet: stay tune, more is coming via Matter/CHIP
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:13:58
an ipv6 EH wg would be great, much easier to ignore
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:14:05
@tim: homenet doomed itself with that silly "can we not have ISIS instead of Babel?" discussion
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:14:24
when that was finally settled, the market had decided to ignore all HNCP stuff
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:14:25
well, that and other things.
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:14:46
the only working homenet tech in production was closed out, i.e. the comcast stuff.
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:14:50
@Gert: homenet past is in the past... let's look at next moves (sure than HNCP does not have a huge industrial success)
Jordi Palet Martínez - 25-11-2021 13:14:54
@Tim, I've more work for v6ops, just need some time to draft it ... Xmas will be free for me
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:14:56
I really like and liked the HNCP stuff...
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:15:16
it can look great, but has anyone implenneted it for production?
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:15:35
:clap::clap::clap: great talk Nico
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:15:39
@erik: I think "great thing in the homes" is game over. The chinese box vendors have decided that IETF is to be ignored.
Denis Fondras - 25-11-2021 13:15:44
the problem lies here "need to maintain legacy".
Ruben van Staveren - 25-11-2021 13:15:51
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:15:56
@gert: I won't disagree
Denis Fondras - 25-11-2021 13:16:00
Thank you Nico
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:16:17
@eric but it saddens me very much...
Christian Bretterhofer - 25-11-2021 13:17:14
:clap::clap::clap: great talk Nico
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:17:30
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:17:32
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:17:35
we could call it 6to4
James Kennedy - 25-11-2021 13:17:36
Thanks Nico :clap: :clap: :clap:
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:18:00
I do like "islands" for this topic, it's intuitive and presents the correct mental image for me
Robert Scheck - 25-11-2021 13:18:11
Also 2020 :)
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:18:24
ipv4 desert? swamp? pit?
Tahar Schaa - 25-11-2021 13:18:39
Thank you Nico, so useful
Ruben van Staveren - 25-11-2021 13:18:55
technical debt island
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:18:57
@Tim ipv4 swamp is AWS
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:19:24
they added some new v6 functionaity this week. slowly...
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:19:43
they've been adding new v6 functionality every week for 10 years. wake me up when it's actually used
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:19:50
Johan ter Beest - 25-11-2021 13:20:38
RIPE Atlas anchors on AWS have IPv6
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:20:42
My personal opinion.. it's quite complex to try to register ULA users.. This suggests some "protection" from other users, which is not given.
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:21:06
well, you wouldnt see ula use, as they shouldnt (haha) leave the local site
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:21:24
If not mistaken, all CableLabs modems/routers are required to use ULA on the 'inside' to allow communication even when DHCP-PD fails on the uplink
Raymond Jetten - 25-11-2021 13:21:28
Kurt please put yur comment in the Q and A so we can discuss about this
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:21:30
there has always been ula-c, on paper, but...
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:21:50
but this is not a question..
Raymond Jetten - 25-11-2021 13:22:06
its a good comment to start a discussion ;)
Michael Richardson - 25-11-2021 13:22:40
fc00::/8 ... ULA-C needs a draft.
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:22:42
but who uses the random rather than just fd00
Jan Zorz - 25-11-2021 13:22:53
ULA == PITA
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:22:56
didnt it have one ?
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:23:13
@Jan: nah, different number of letters
Ruben van Staveren - 25-11-2021 13:23:14
there is §3.2.2 in RFC4193 but if everyone just overlooks it, it just as good as everyone using 10/8 internally
Tristan Bruns - 25-11-2021 13:23:23
hexdump -e '/1 "fd%02x:" /2 "%04x:" /2 "%04x::/48n"' -n 5 /dev/urandom
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:23:24
@michael e.g. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipv6-ula-central-01
Michael Richardson - 25-11-2021 13:23:27
I'd really like to make it happen. If we can get some disconnected (never to be announced) IPv6 for Enterprises/etc. who need it for almost free (no-recurring charges) is really important.
Jan Zorz - 25-11-2021 13:23:34
Donald Neal - 25-11-2021 13:23:40
ULA's are handy for things that must not communicate with the outside world.
Tahar Schaa - 25-11-2021 13:23:50
So, if connected to a LIR no need for ULA?
Michael Richardson - 25-11-2021 13:23:57
@Tim, yes, we abandoned that.
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:24:07
oh, and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-02
Michael Richardson - 25-11-2021 13:24:12
Yes, but not proof of CPU work.
Gert Doering - 25-11-2021 13:24:18
ULAs are great, you can do NAT with them!
Peter van Dijk - 25-11-2021 13:24:22
-please- not proof of CO2 emission, indeed
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:24:31
agreed Michael. enterprise is so tied to "everything in rfc1918 behind the firewall with NAT" that we're going to have to deal with that model en masse whether we like it or not
Eduard Vasilenko - 25-11-2021 13:24:31
IMHO: ULA would become popular in the future, together with NPT.
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:24:40
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:24:57
doing NAT with GUA's are also hilariously fun
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:25:14
you could map ula to net10 v4 islands for fun.
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:25:39
everybody missed that the SixXS ULA Registry as a joke..... the stats for ULA generation mean that things are unique anyway :)
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:25:39
Tim that has indeed been used
Michael Richardson - 25-11-2021 13:25:46
Jordi, let's restart this.
Tahar Schaa - 25-11-2021 13:25:56
I would rather take care about building up community LIRs to provide GUA s for the mentioned projects
Tahar Schaa - 25-11-2021 13:26:07
Michael Richardson - 25-11-2021 13:26:36
@Tahar, there are needs beyond the community needs.
Niall O'Reilly - 25-11-2021 13:27:21
Thnaks for clarifying, Nico
Jelte Jansen - 25-11-2021 13:27:29
i have seen a tiny use-case for ULA, but seems to me that if you need a registry then you might as well use global space
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:27:33
that was in relation to previous discussion
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:27:52
@Jelte I think the main issue with global space is the cost (money + time) associated with it
Sander Steffann - 25-11-2021 13:28:19
@Niall: I checked, my old ULA blocks are in there :)
Niall O'Reilly - 25-11-2021 13:28:52
@Sander: I just found mine too 8-)
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:29:06
those could be worth $10 each in 100 years!
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:29:25
Tim: 100years? less!
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:29:33
in 100 years, $10 won't buy you a pack of gum
Jelte Jansen - 25-11-2021 13:30:04
peter: yeah i got that part, I guess i just don't understand the actual use-cases :)
Marko Veelma - 25-11-2021 13:30:57
My use case for ULA is an internal network (incl docker networks) and outside access comes via VPN. It is like 1918 address but I know that in case I'd like to open any address/service to anyone else, I can easily do that and there will be (almost) no overlapping. Only requirement will be some sort of VPN because these addresses are not in global routing. I specially like that I do not need to firewall them but can control the access simply via routing.
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:31:03
freifunk is a good use case, as is dn42 (overlay network connecting hackerspaces)
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:31:11
is there a question here? :)
Wolfgang Tremmel - 25-11-2021 13:32:39
my internal networks at home also use ULA - as my public IPv6 prefix can change any time
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:33:22
sure, there are uses for ULAddresses, but why register them centrally?
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:33:39
for the use case where you connect two ULA networks together
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:33:47
kurt: one valid version is "because if you find the address, then you at least know a probable contact"
Michael Richardson - 25-11-2021 13:33:51
@Marko, you'll leak them eventually, and that's why you want ULA-C, so that others will notice your leak, and let you know.
Marko Veelma - 25-11-2021 13:33:52
Wolfgang, do you do 1:1 NAT between internal ULA and internet range? Or are these totally reparate?
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:34:16
mcr: ULA-C ... is GUA, already done, we got RIRs for that with plenty of space
Wolfgang Tremmel - 25-11-2021 13:34:24
Marko: totally separate, only used for internal communication
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:34:37
and actually there are lots of LIRS that borrow out pieces of their /29 or so for getting chunks out of that
Denis Fondras - 25-11-2021 13:34:38
Anybody doing M&A like to have uniqueness in addressing :)
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:34:54
if you require 100% unique-ness... get a prefix from a RIR...
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:35:02
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:35:05
and if you are doing M&A then a LIR fee is puny for you
Denis Fondras - 25-11-2021 13:35:22
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:35:32
there is 100% no need for ULA "registry" just look at who and what has registered the prefixes
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:35:35
the data is there...
Tahar Schaa - 25-11-2021 13:35:43
If maintainance is needed, why not use the existing maintainance of the NROs?
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:35:57
Tahar: you mean the RIRs? :)
Sander Steffann - 25-11-2021 13:36:02
Jeroen: yep, I'm giving a /32 from my /29 to ping.de
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:36:10
sander: there you go :)
Marko Veelma - 25-11-2021 13:36:36
I don't see a problem with leaking. ISPs MUST make sure that they don't accept this range. Same applies for 10/8 actually
Jelte Jansen - 25-11-2021 13:36:36
the potential problem i see is that it'll grow and need registration and fees at some point anyway, at which point it could very well end up as 'just like global space but without the routing'
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:36:58
jelte: that is the joke of it all...
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:37:01
so, 65.000 /48's in a /32 - 'cost' (= membership) on a /48 basis is how many cents?
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:37:26
marco: less than a coffee ;)
Tahar Schaa - 25-11-2021 13:37:28
yeah, good old ping.de - I'm member nr 99 :blush:
Sander Steffann - 25-11-2021 13:37:29
I'm tempted to set up a registry for our foundation, and let people register ULA for a one-off fee to sponsor the foundation :)
Darko Palic - 25-11-2021 13:37:36
I am having a similar issue. I am right now not a RIPE memberAnd tried to get via a LIR a /44 for my setup. Since I need 13 /48 networks.But getting feedback it is not possible since RIPE will reject it. for me it is right not clear how to best get started about this topic to get a PI /44 network?Any suggestions here?
Sander Steffann - 25-11-2021 13:37:47
Tahar: so you are in 2a00:8647::/32 then :)
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:38:03
RDNS for IoT/low power devices? Are we really bothered?
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:38:15
darko: the chance that any of the stuff you are going to put in a /44 will not be internet connected is 0%
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:38:20
@jeroen maybe next face 2 face find a sponsor to hand-out 48's instead of coffee? :D
Tahar Schaa - 25-11-2021 13:38:36
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:38:48
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:38:52
I don't put coffee in my TCAM
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:38:53
darko: if you can justify a /44 today what do you do in 10 years?
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:39:20
suggestion: expand RFC1918 and include ULA. Problem solved.
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:39:49
slaac works JUST FINE on non-/64 prefixes. there just happens to be a bunch of implementation bugs out there.
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:39:54
you mean "ipv4 problem copypasta'd to IPv6"...
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:39:55
the core intention was quite similar.
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:39:58
https://www.sixxs.net/news/2007/#registeryouripv6ulauniquelocal-0529 "Although this only guarantees uniqueness for organizations who register their prefixes, when this registry is well used it should avoid any other problem." ...... if you need "globally unique" it already exists.... go to a RIR
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:39:58
? ULA is defined in RFC, including examples of how to make the statisticallty unique
Christoph Berkemeier - 25-11-2021 13:40:04
May be only a part of ULA should be enabled to be registered
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:40:13
"with 10.000 connections is still 4.54*10^-05, "
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:40:17
Jelte Jansen - 25-11-2021 13:40:38
yes if you have a global registry you need to have a reserved-for-actual-local-use as well
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:40:58
jelte: can already do that with any prefix.... and happens all the time
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:41:09
"not in DFZ" means it is local
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:41:16
@jelte GUA, ULA and GULA?
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:41:37
and otherwise... https://dn42.dev also has a nice registry
Jelte Jansen - 25-11-2021 13:41:41
how do i know some registry hasn't 'claimed' it yet?
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:41:48
great discussion, thanks
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:41:53
Is there a parallel to MAC addresses here? One can request an 'assignment' of MAC addresses, which registers them for your use (even cloud providers have good reason for this) but the privacy drive is to randomise MACs anyway. Would we not simply see a similar response to 'registered' ULA?
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:42:01
jelte: hence... go to the RIRs... that is the joke as I already have been saying since 2007....
Darko Palic - 25-11-2021 13:42:10
@Jeroen Massar, my question here is how to justify to not get rejected. And you are right a bigger network as /44 would be great, but how to justify it?
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:42:20
Tom have you ever tried to get a block of MAC addresses from IEEE ?
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:42:22
darko: have more hardware
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:42:39
@Blake not personally, but $job-1 had one :)
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:42:53
Tiny cloud provider
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:43:04
it usually requires lawyers... several open-source projects were denied...
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:43:07
(Never did get around to changing the hypervisors to use it)
Nico Schottelius - 25-11-2021 13:43:17
Reading up the comments at the moment, in case you want to stay in touch and I miss a comment, I am reachable at ipv6 [at] ungleich [dot] ch
Darko Palic - 25-11-2021 13:43:23
@Jeroen, yes, but I have not have it right now and my issue is also to avoid renumberings with a later resizing of the networks.
Peter van Dijk - 25-11-2021 13:43:26
Blake, a friend of mine did it earlier this year (as a one man commercial company), he did not really have any trouble
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:43:38
@darko have a chat with a colleague from registry services and find out what the actual requirements are? Must be possible, if legit case
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:44:17
openbsd asked for MAC addresses, and we got told to pound sand. so we picked an unused space. *shrug*
Darko Palic - 25-11-2021 13:44:37
@Marco Hogewoning, yes willing to do the chat. Where and how?
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:45:29
let me talk to some colleagues
Darko Palic - 25-11-2021 13:46:35
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:46:48
In summary - from the perspective from an outsider - sounds really like a moving target, rather than a "standard".
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:47:03
@darko also have a look here https://ripe83.ripe.net/attend/service-desk/
Marco Hogewoning - 25-11-2021 13:47:18
which explains where to find them
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:47:41
@Peter wasn't that for multicast MAC addresses?
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:48:32
IPv6 - the "standards soup of the day".
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:48:34
Incredibly, it's still there:
AC:E8:7E Bytemark Computer Consulting Ltd
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:48:44
(Registered name is wrong)
Sander Steffann - 25-11-2021 13:48:53
@Peter: I'm actually building a website to document codepoints, IETF assigned or otherwise :)
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:49:28
@Tom no, regular MAC for our hypervisor
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:50:02
8950 is just an update of 5549 "BGP signaled IPv6 tunnels"
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:50:30
there are borderline things that once we add one, we may end up adding many more, e.g. around QoS.
Marco d'Itri - 25-11-2021 13:50:41
getting a MAC addresses block should be easy, as long as you can pay the fee
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:50:49
we made that change Ericx
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:51:13
yes, it *should* be easy. we were told "no, go away". not even offered a chance to pay a fee.
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:52:00
I'll go through the google doc, thanks
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:52:04
this was several years ago, maybe they changed their policies since then.
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:52:14
eric we made those changes, as stated on the list. the slides are outdtaed.
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:52:48
@Peter I imagine they want individual providers to get one that links to their own company.
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:52:50
More money that way
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:52:52
great question Christoph
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:53:14
OTOH, you should have been able to get a default. Perhaps they were still mad about the CARP addresses?
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:53:18
@tom could be, but vmware, xen, and all the usual suspects have their own blocks
Marco d'Itri - 25-11-2021 13:53:21
@Tom I don't think so since vmware has their own MAC addresses
Christoph Berkemeier - 25-11-2021 13:53:34
@Blake thanks :)
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:53:48
@Sander thank you
Jeroen Massar - 25-11-2021 13:53:55
peter: big corps get what they want, cannot have these pesky open source people without legal weight........ scnr
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:54:11
UHN interop lab is a really good example of an independent qualification authority: https://www.iol.unh.edu/
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:54:26
@Tim: perfect, I was unclear what was 'the' reference: the slides or the gDoc
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:54:51
the gdoc is the current snapshot. no draft version system in ripe sadly.
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:55:00
we made the proper requests, but won't be defeated if some random group of jerks tells us "no". *shrug*
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:55:42
the open question on you iirc was whether we should add YANG, and if so where (as per 8504), and something eklse i forget, see the emaiul :)
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:55:55
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:55:57
IPv6 testing & qualificaiton software: https://www.iol.unh.edu/solutions/test-tools/intact
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:56:15
we added text on vMs and containers being out of scope - they are not devices per se, but would run on equipment bought with tenders
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:56:34
well, IPv6 Ready is inherantly part of the doc
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:56:49
and the IPv6 Ready items are the * ones
Christian Bretterhofer - 25-11-2021 13:57:40
Christoph Berkemeier - 25-11-2021 13:57:41
As long as VM OS is just a virtualized hardware OS, thats does not sound like a problem.
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:57:46
this looks good so far, go forward
Éric Vyncke - 25-11-2021 13:57:46
Please go forward ;-)
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:58:04
this is an excellent effort, & much appreciated
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:58:07
having smart people check the Mandatory and Optional lists would be very welcome.
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:58:22
Suzanne Taylor - 25-11-2021 13:58:39
My pleasure! :)
Blake Willis - 25-11-2021 13:58:45
Christoph Berkemeier - 25-11-2021 13:58:51
Thank you very much for the talk and your work.
Jan Zorz - 25-11-2021 13:58:53
Kurt Kayser - 25-11-2021 13:58:55
Tahar Schaa - 25-11-2021 13:58:58
Thanks Jan, good presentation , important issue
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:58:59
@Tim I had a short review of the M vs O lists, and they looked sane to me.
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:59:07
Tim Chown - 25-11-2021 13:59:16
a real meeting, with real coffee and beer
Peter Hessler - 25-11-2021 13:59:20
another set of eyes looking at them would be good of course :)
Tom Hill - 25-11-2021 13:59:32
Hans Combee - 25-11-2021 13:59:34
Sander Steffann - 25-11-2021 13:59:35
Christoph Berkemeier - 25-11-2021 13:59:37
Johan ter Beest - 25-11-2021 13:59:42
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