William Johnson - 23-11-2021 13:00:05
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Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:00:09
Kurt: T-Shirts are DIY this year
Niall O'Reilly - 23-11-2021 13:00:21
Kurt Kayser - 23-11-2021 13:03:32
Niall: but that is not what I meant "We’re going DIY for RIPE 83!"...
Kurt Kayser - 23-11-2021 13:05:29
maybe someone put them on a store.. nevermind.
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:06:11
let's ask the NCC to put up a T-Shirt business! That might work better than this IPv4 stuff
Anders Mundt Due - 23-11-2021 13:06:35
It would probably be a quicker rollout than ipv6
Niall O'Reilly - 23-11-2021 13:07:16
Hmm, should we do something to prevent stockpiling of T-shirts ...
Ties de Kock - 23-11-2021 13:07:38
...stockpiling of free T-shirts is an actual problem...
Payman Mohammadi - 23-11-2021 13:07:38
where can we find the recorded files of the diffrent presentation ?
Daniel Karrenberg - 23-11-2021 13:07:57
This being about routing: Should we provide operational feedback on https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-schoen-intarea-unicast-127-00.html or better leave that to NANOG? --- half ;-)
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:08:02
Niall: only the first one is free, all the rest must be worn for 10 years
Niall O'Reilly - 23-11-2021 13:08:25
Kurt Kayser - 23-11-2021 13:08:46
@Ties: fully understood, but my hope is that shops produce them on-demand.
Ties de Kock - 23-11-2021 13:10:02
@Kurt: Oh I meant in my own cabinet :D
Peter Hessler - 23-11-2021 13:10:03
heh, checking the v6 status for the big three shipping companies .com and .de hosts. all 3 are missing v6 on either com or de, and one is v4 only on both.
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:10:57
so which T-Shirt-Shop would be the official RIPE IPv6 recommended one?
Robert Kisteleki - 23-11-2021 13:11:01
@Ties introduce a quota. if you want a new T, you need to get rid of an older one
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:11:21
@Robert don't let $wife hear that
Anders Mundt Due - 23-11-2021 13:11:39
T-shirt aggregation is when you realise you no longer fit in a L and have to get XL
Robert Kisteleki - 23-11-2021 13:12:14
@Gert she was the one who introduced it and is still enforcing it to me...
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:12:38
did you not warn here what it's like to marry a network geek?
Job Snijders - 23-11-2021 13:12:50
at the end of this presentation we will exam the audience to see if they were paying close attention, and if not - they will be forced go IPv6-only for a week (without nat64!)
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:12:53
"you'll have to do with funny remarks nobody else understands, and too many T-Shirts!"
Sebastian Becker - 23-11-2021 13:13:48
@Job: Nice idea.
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:14:50
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:16:10
@job: good point that being forced to use ipv6 is a punishment
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:16:16
Daniel the "more addresses" I think bears more investigation is https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schoen-intarea-unicast-lowest-address/
Sebastian Becker - 23-11-2021 13:16:36
@Gert: Good thing: My wife did not come up with that idea until now. I will keep that secret. ;-)
Robert Leichssenring - 23-11-2021 13:16:37
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:16:43
Sebastian Becker - 23-11-2021 13:16:54
Thanks for the talk!
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:17:13
unlike the other "hey let's de-bogon a crazy /8" it only impacts local address assignment & LAN networking
Job Snijders - 23-11-2021 13:21:59
Fan failure == Hot Security Module? :-)
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:23:05
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:23:43
Job Snijders - 23-11-2021 13:24:18
StayRTR == https://github.com/bgp/stayrtr
Robert Leichssenring - 23-11-2021 13:26:15
Tim Bruijnzeels - 23-11-2021 13:26:25
Peter Hessler - 23-11-2021 13:26:31
very nice, thanks! :clap:
Anders Mundt Due - 23-11-2021 13:26:41
60 seconds of comfortable silence
Sebastian Becker - 23-11-2021 13:26:52
Thanks for charing.
Sebastian Becker - 23-11-2021 13:27:05
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:27:07
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:27:09
Shane Kerr - 23-11-2021 13:29:31
Transparency is a good suggestion Randy!
Job Snijders - 23-11-2021 13:31:19
To replicate (part of) the RIPE NCC monitoring, there is this excellent software package maintained by Ties https://github.com/ties/rpki-client-web
Shane Kerr - 23-11-2021 13:32:02
Whitelisting public alerts seems reasonable to me.
Felipe Victolla Silveira - 23-11-2021 13:34:32
Rudiger, here we publish all service outages: https://www.ripe.net/support/service-announcements
Al Cutter - 23-11-2021 13:34:36
Markus Zeilinger - 23-11-2021 13:36:21
Is it just me or is the audio quite bad?
Christoph Neukirch - 23-11-2021 13:36:31
audio is good
Wolfgang Tremmel - 23-11-2021 13:36:38
audio is fine here, but video is blinking
Job Snijders - 23-11-2021 13:37:29
Glitching in the matrix :-)
Joel Busch - 23-11-2021 13:37:38
Photosensitivity warning for his video stream
Wolfgang Tremmel - 23-11-2021 13:37:50
perhaps a secret message in blink morse code?
Michel Lanners - 23-11-2021 13:38:07
Strobe connected to the alarm console?
Jelte Jansen - 23-11-2021 13:38:21
perhaps the disco party has started already
Rob Evans - 23-11-2021 13:38:32
"Trusted Log?" Sounds like an application for blockchain.
Ties de Kock - 23-11-2021 13:38:49
@Rob: A merkle tree ~= a blockchain?
Al Cutter - 23-11-2021 13:39:08
but better in a few important respects :)
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:39:41
note that cert issuance validation here in browser certs is analogous to router key signing in rpki
Ties de Kock - 23-11-2021 13:42:43
@Al: It was a tongue in cheek comment about blockchain being ill-defined as well :D.
I don't know the buzzwords, "private permissioned blockchain"
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 13:42:52
Al Cutter - 23-11-2021 13:42:54
hehe, it's fine - I hear that a lot :)
Al Cutter - 23-11-2021 13:43:16
my response is usually "won't someone think about the polar bears!"
Rob Evans - 23-11-2021 13:43:20
I may have been using mild sarcasm too.
Al Cutter - 23-11-2021 13:43:41
all good :)
Ruediger Volk - 23-11-2021 13:43:42
@Felipe+Ties: presentation described internal monitoring+reporting process and I was looking for the outgoing interface to public
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:44:38
@rudiger: as was i, but with the explicit purpose of helping me diagnose issues i might have
Nathalie Trenaman - 23-11-2021 13:45:22
@Ruediger Our webservices team is currently building a public status page. It will have quite a few metrics for RPKI and we can look into distributing alerts to other channels (slack, IRC...)
Erik Bais - 23-11-2021 13:45:22
Thanks for the presentation ..
Felipe Victolla Silveira - 23-11-2021 13:45:23
That we don't have at the moment, but I think it is a good idea (Randy mentioned it). So we will look into it
Felipe Victolla Silveira - 23-11-2021 13:45:39
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:45:49
dank u wel for the links Job
Al Cutter - 23-11-2021 13:46:30
Christian Ebnöther - 23-11-2021 13:46:36
@Pim nice coloring!
Erik Bais - 23-11-2021 13:46:39
Hi Pim, are you done yet ? :P
Job Snijders - 23-11-2021 13:47:16
Wolfgang Tremmel - 23-11-2021 13:47:19
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:47:21
Alex Le Heux - 23-11-2021 13:47:23
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:47:31
+I can't remember how many
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:48:27
we merged 66 purchased isps into verio back in the day. large team to support renumbering.
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:49:03
are we going to learn about using dpdk to renumber?
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:49:12
required reading: https://www.wiley.com/en-gb/Network+Mergers+and+Migrations%3A+Junos+Design+and+Implementation-p-9781119964711
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:50:07
@blake "HTTP Status 403 – Forbidden" when it tried to geoloc me
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:50:40
argh, that's the publisher's website. ISBN: 978-1-119-96471-1
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:51:03
Donald Neal - 23-11-2021 13:51:14
Clearly there's a specifically British approach to migrations.
Randy Bush - 23-11-2021 13:51:50
juniper migration book. have only scanned
Sander Steffann - 23-11-2021 13:51:52
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:52:16
even if you don't run JunOS, it's an excellent reference if you need to integrate MPLS networks
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 13:53:09
It's based on Gonzalo's experience bolting together the various bits of Telefonica
Joel Busch - 23-11-2021 13:56:16
Can confirm Init7 is cool
Hank Nussbacher - 23-11-2021 13:56:19
for some strange reason my meetecho today has no audio. where can i get help?
Sander Steffann - 23-11-2021 13:56:21
+1 to that
Sander Steffann - 23-11-2021 13:56:29
(That was init7)
Erik Bais - 23-11-2021 13:56:51
Hank , you could try to re-load the browser...
Job Snijders - 23-11-2021 13:56:59
Hank - https://ripe83.ripe.net/attend/meeting-support/
Hank Nussbacher - 23-11-2021 13:57:12
i rebooted windows as well as tried ff and chrome
Erik Bais - 23-11-2021 13:58:06
There is the option to use the RIPE video live stream : https://ripe83.ripe.net/live/main/
Silvan Gebhardt - 23-11-2021 13:58:11
re audio I switched from edge (on linux) to firefox (on the same box) and it worked. didn't work in edge anymore
Hank Nussbacher - 23-11-2021 13:58:47
thx JOB - trying that
Job Snijders - 23-11-2021 14:00:51
Pim mentioned "peeringdb" - What is PeeringDB? Check out this introduction video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA2PvYbvDhg or the website: https://www.peeringdb.com/
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 14:00:59
good luck Pim, it's always a long journey...
Denis Fondras - 23-11-2021 14:01:16
aut-num: AS8298 has no routing policy ?
Erik Bais - 23-11-2021 14:01:27
Thanks for the preso Pim. nice one.
Erik Bais - 23-11-2021 14:02:31
especially re-numbering with old established peers ... could trigger new peering policies .. and de-peering talks...
Simon Leinen - 23-11-2021 14:03:01
Randy's reference is to Laurent Vanbever's work.
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 14:03:08
playing the devil's advocate here... "why should I bother to maintain this peer, just because he wants a vanity ASN?"
Simon Leinen - 23-11-2021 14:03:09
(Don't have the exact ref. right now)
Emile Aben - 23-11-2021 14:03:23
Wolfgang Tremmel - 23-11-2021 14:03:30
I should include that into my BGP training
Emile Aben - 23-11-2021 14:04:13
found it: https://vanbever.eu/pdfs/vanbever_phd_thesis_online.pdf
Simon Leinen - 23-11-2021 14:04:16
Could be "Snowcap" by Tibor Schneider, Rüdiger Birkner and Laurent Vanbever from this year's SIGCOMM.
Shane Kerr - 23-11-2021 14:04:24
BEST MOTIVATION EVER
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 14:04:47
Now, if *PIM* does this, I will be happy to renumber my end of the BGP sessions... for others, maybe not so much
Erik Bais - 23-11-2021 14:04:49
Are you offering ?
Mike Hughes - 23-11-2021 14:05:12
If you'll do it again, then you've got the automation right. :)
Blake Willis - 23-11-2021 14:05:26
first time is always the hardest one
Gert Doering - 23-11-2021 14:05:27
If you do not want the 2-digit number, send it my way :-)
William Johnson - 23-11-2021 14:05:49
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